On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 19:12:19 -0600, "Byker" > wrote:

This picture is included in a display at the USAF Museum to honour
Australia's contribution to a USAF fighter wing in the Korean War.

On 2016-03-07 14:27:22 +0000, said:

> On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 19:12:19 -0600, "Byker" > wrote:
>
> This picture is included in a display at the USAF Museum to honour
> Australia's contribution to a USAF fighter wing in the Korean War.

Along with the Australians there was the South African AF SAAF 2nd
Sqdrn which started out in F-51D's and then converted to F-86's.






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Regards,

Savageduck

wrote in message ...
>
> This picture is included in a display at the USAF Museum to honour
> Australia's contribution to a USAF fighter wing in the Korean War.

It's too bad they didn't save this one from the scrapyard

On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 12:06:22 -0600, "Byker" > wrote:

>wrote in message ...
>>
>> This picture is included in a display at the USAF Museum to honour
>> Australia's contribution to a USAF fighter wing in the Korean War.
>
>It's too bad they didn't save this one from the scrapyard

Yep!! Good old EE227, the world's first turboprop (RR Trent) aircraft
and with 5-bladed props to boot.

On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 10:03:06 -0800, Savageduck
> wrote:

>On 2016-03-07 14:27:22 +0000, said:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 19:12:19 -0600, "Byker" > wrote:
>>
>> This picture is included in a display at the USAF Museum to honour
>> Australia's contribution to a USAF fighter wing in the Korean War.
>
>Along with the Australians there was the South African AF SAAF 2nd
>Sqdrn which started out in F-51D's and then converted to F-86's.

During a visit to Mojave, CA back in 1986, I saw four ex-SAAF Sabres
in "kit form" stored between buildings. Still in full camo and
markings.

Hard to get photos, and I was suffering from a raging case of Jerry
Brown's Revenge. TMI.

On 2016-03-08 08:11:15 +0000, "Bob (not my real pseudonym)"
> said:

> On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 10:03:06 -0800, Savageduck
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-03-07 14:27:22 +0000, said:
>>
>>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 19:12:19 -0600, "Byker" > wrote:
>>>
>>> This picture is included in a display at the USAF Museum to honour
>>> Australia's contribution to a USAF fighter wing in the Korean War.
>>
>> Along with the Australians there was the South African AF SAAF 2nd
>> Sqdrn which started out in F-51D's and then converted to F-86's.
>
> During a visit to Mojave, CA back in 1986, I saw four ex-SAAF Sabres
> in "kit form" stored between buildings. Still in full camo and
> markings.
>
> Hard to get photos, and I was suffering from a raging case of Jerry
> Brown's Revenge. TMI.
>
> <image>
> <image>

By the early 1960's the SAAF had pretty much worn out their F-86's and
replaced them with the Mirage III, Canberras, and Buccaneers. I guess
you found the lease returned F-86's out at Mojave.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 00:11:15 -0800, "Bob (not my real pseudonym)"
> wrote:

>On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 10:03:06 -0800, Savageduck
> wrote:
>
>>On 2016-03-07 14:27:22 +0000, said:
>>
>>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 19:12:19 -0600, "Byker" > wrote:
>>>
>>> This picture is included in a display at the USAF Museum to honour
>>> Australia's contribution to a USAF fighter wing in the Korean War.
>>
>>Along with the Australians there was the South African AF SAAF 2nd
>>Sqdrn which started out in F-51D's and then converted to F-86's.
>
>During a visit to Mojave, CA back in 1986, I saw four ex-SAAF Sabres
>in "kit form" stored between buildings. Still in full camo and
>markings.
>
>Hard to get photos, and I was suffering from a raging case of Jerry
>Brown's Revenge. TMI.

Nitpicky me!

This is really a Canadair CL13B Sabre Mk6 (powered by an Avro Canada
Orenda) and would not have seen action in Korea. (First flight of the
Mk 6 was November 1954.)

The USAF loaned SAAF a number of F86Fs to replace their F51s in Korea.
After the cease-fire (I hate to say "end of hostilities") these were
returned to the USA.

What I don't understand is why any Canadian-built Sabres were returned
to the USA unless, of course, the US funded their construction.

On 2016-03-08 14:08:24 +0000, said:

> On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 00:11:15 -0800, "Bob (not my real pseudonym)"
> > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 10:03:06 -0800, Savageduck
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-03-07 14:27:22 +0000, said:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 19:12:19 -0600, "Byker" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This picture is included in a display at the USAF Museum to honour
>>>> Australia's contribution to a USAF fighter wing in the Korean War.
>>>
>>> Along with the Australians there was the South African AF SAAF 2nd
>>> Sqdrn which started out in F-51D's and then converted to F-86's.
>>
>> During a visit to Mojave, CA back in 1986, I saw four ex-SAAF Sabres
>> in "kit form" stored between buildings. Still in full camo and
>> markings.
>>
>> Hard to get photos, and I was suffering from a raging case of Jerry
>> Brown's Revenge. TMI.
>
> Nitpicky me!
>
> This is really a Canadair CL13B Sabre Mk6 (powered by an Avro Canada
> Orenda) and would not have seen action in Korea. (First flight of the
> Mk 6 was November 1954.)
>
> The USAF loaned SAAF a number of F86Fs to replace their F51s in Korea.
> After the cease-fire (I hate to say "end of hostilities") these were
> returned to the USA.

Correct. The 20 loaner F-86's, minus 4 lost in combat were returned to
the US when the SAAF unit returned to South Africa in 1954. The SAAF
then had several squadrons of Canadair Sabres in service until the
mid-1960's.

> What I don't understand is why any Canadian-built Sabres were returned
> to the USA unless, of course, the US funded their construction.

There were some very odd Cold War funding arrangements in the 50s and
60's. Those made for South Africa were some of the oddest due to the
arms embargo in place. The SAAF managed to get a few Buccaneers before
the UK stopped delivery of the full order. The back door was wide open,
and with French, Italian and Israeli deals the SAAF got Mirage IIIs,
South African built Aermacchi's, and the co-developed, Dassault Mirage
derived, Kfir-Cheetah.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 07:10:44 -0800, Savageduck
> wrote:

>On 2016-03-08 14:08:24 +0000, said:
>
>> On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 00:11:15 -0800, "Bob (not my real pseudonym)"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 10:03:06 -0800, Savageduck
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2016-03-07 14:27:22 +0000, said:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 19:12:19 -0600, "Byker" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This picture is included in a display at the USAF Museum to honour
>>>>> Australia's contribution to a USAF fighter wing in the Korean War.
>>>>
>>>> Along with the Australians there was the South African AF SAAF 2nd
>>>> Sqdrn which started out in F-51D's and then converted to F-86's.
>>>
>>> During a visit to Mojave, CA back in 1986, I saw four ex-SAAF Sabres
>>> in "kit form" stored between buildings. Still in full camo and
>>> markings.
>>>
>>> Hard to get photos, and I was suffering from a raging case of Jerry
>>> Brown's Revenge. TMI.
>>
>> Nitpicky me!
>>
>> This is really a Canadair CL13B Sabre Mk6 (powered by an Avro Canada
>> Orenda) and would not have seen action in Korea. (First flight of the
>> Mk 6 was November 1954.)
>>
>> The USAF loaned SAAF a number of F86Fs to replace their F51s in Korea.
>> After the cease-fire (I hate to say "end of hostilities") these were
>> returned to the USA.
>
>Correct. The 20 loaner F-86's, minus 4 lost in combat were returned to
>the US when the SAAF unit returned to South Africa in 1954. The SAAF
>then had several squadrons of Canadair Sabres in service until the
>mid-1960's.
>
>> What I don't understand is why any Canadian-built Sabres were returned
>> to the USA unless, of course, the US funded their construction.
>
>There were some very odd Cold War funding arrangements in the 50s and
>60's. Those made for South Africa were some of the oddest due to the
>arms embargo in place. The SAAF managed to get a few Buccaneers before
>the UK stopped delivery of the full order. The back door was wide open,
>and with French, Italian and Israeli deals the SAAF got Mirage IIIs,
>South African built Aermacchi's, and the co-developed, Dassault Mirage
>derived, Kfir-Cheetah.


Another odd arrangement, probably also a funding issue, was painting
RAF Canadair Sabres into USAF colours for their delivery flight to the
Italian AF.

On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 09:08:24 -0500, wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 00:11:15 -0800, "Bob (not my real pseudonym)"
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 10:03:06 -0800, Savageduck
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2016-03-07 14:27:22 +0000, said:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 19:12:19 -0600, "Byker" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This picture is included in a display at the USAF Museum to honour
>>>> Australia's contribution to a USAF fighter wing in the Korean War.
>>>
>>>Along with the Australians there was the South African AF SAAF 2nd
>>>Sqdrn which started out in F-51D's and then converted to F-86's.
>>
>>During a visit to Mojave, CA back in 1986, I saw four ex-SAAF Sabres
>>in "kit form" stored between buildings. Still in full camo and
>>markings.
>>
>>Hard to get photos, and I was suffering from a raging case of Jerry
>>Brown's Revenge. TMI.
>
>Nitpicky me!
>
>This is really a Canadair CL13B Sabre Mk6 (powered by an Avro Canada
>Orenda) and would not have seen action in Korea. (First flight of the
>Mk 6 was November 1954.)
>
>The USAF loaned SAAF a number of F86Fs to replace their F51s in Korea.
>After the cease-fire (I hate to say "end of hostilities") these were
>returned to the USA.
>
>What I don't understand is why any Canadian-built Sabres were returned
>to the USA unless, of course, the US funded their construction.

Perhaps a private purchase? There were many interesting projects
going on at Mojave at the time - USAF unmanned drone conversions of
F-100s and just beginning the QF-106 program. Flight Systems had some
fun toys scattered around, including an F-4. There were a couple Saab
J-32 Lansen in storage; Burt Rutan was building the Voyager 'round the
world' aircraft (didn't get to see that); somebody was restoring a
Hawker Hunter, and more. I will try to get some slides of that trip
tweaked up in the near future.

Bob ^,,^

"Bob (not my real pseudonym)" wrote in message
...
>
> Perhaps a private purchase? There were many interesting projects going on
> at Mojave at the time - USAF unmanned drone conversions of F-100s and just
> beginning the QF-106 program. Flight Systems had some fun toys scattered
> around, including an F-4. There were a couple Saab J-32 Lansen in
> storage; Burt Rutan was building the Voyager 'round the world' aircraft
> (didn't get to see that); somebody was restoring a Hawker Hunter, and
> more. I will try to get some slides of that trip tweaked up in the near
> future.

You might want to check these out: http://tinyurl.com/hce25ed

On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 12:48:23 -0600, "Byker" > wrote:

>"Bob (not my real pseudonym)" wrote in message
...
>>
>> Perhaps a private purchase? There were many interesting projects going on
>> at Mojave at the time - USAF unmanned drone conversions of F-100s and just
>> beginning the QF-106 program. Flight Systems had some fun toys scattered
>> around, including an F-4. There were a couple Saab J-32 Lansen in
>> storage; Burt Rutan was building the Voyager 'round the world' aircraft
>> (didn't get to see that); somebody was restoring a Hawker Hunter, and
>> more. I will try to get some slides of that trip tweaked up in the near
>> future.
>
>You might want to check these out: http://tinyurl.com/hce25ed

The T-33 (CF-133) listed here is, on the face of it, a real deal at
$133K. And it comes with a hooker harness. (The mind boggles!!!) This
is the last jet type I flew, so it has a certain je ne sais quoi to
it.

On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 12:48:23 -0600, "Byker" > wrote:

>"Bob (not my real pseudonym)" wrote in message
...
>>
>> Perhaps a private purchase? There were many interesting projects going on
>> at Mojave at the time - USAF unmanned drone conversions of F-100s and just
>> beginning the QF-106 program. Flight Systems had some fun toys scattered
>> around, including an F-4. There were a couple Saab J-32 Lansen in
>> storage; Burt Rutan was building the Voyager 'round the world' aircraft
>> (didn't get to see that); somebody was restoring a Hawker Hunter, and
>> more. I will try to get some slides of that trip tweaked up in the near
>> future.
>
>You might want to check these out: http://tinyurl.com/hce25ed

Maxed out the credit card... ;^}

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 07:14:37 -0600, Andrew Chaplin
> wrote:

wrote in
:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 12:48:23 -0600, "Byker" > wrote:
>>
>>>"Bob (not my real pseudonym)" wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps a private purchase? There were many interesting projects
>>>> going on at Mojave at the time - USAF unmanned drone conversions of
>>>> F-100s and just beginning the QF-106 program. Flight Systems had
>>>> some fun toys scattered around, including an F-4. There were a
>>>> couple Saab J-32 Lansen in storage; Burt Rutan was building the
>>>> Voyager 'round the world' aircraft (didn't get to see that); somebody
>>>> was restoring a Hawker Hunter, and more. I will try to get some
>>>> slides of that trip tweaked up in the near future.
>>>
>>>You might want to check these out: http://tinyurl.com/hce25ed
>>
>> The T-33 (CF-133) listed here is, on the face of it, a real deal at
>> $133K. And it comes with a hooker harness. (The mind boggles!!!) This
>> is the last jet type I flew, so it has a certain je ne sais quoi to
>> it.
>
>CT-133 in Canadian service, Frank. There is also a USAF T-33 for sale at
>$89,000.


I'll take two!!